Ugh

[Okeiro]

Been beating my brain on this one for a few days...

Ok, so I'm running Vista 64bit, I have 6gigs of RAM and memory usage is typically between 25-30%. When I play a game it's anywhere from 40-50%. Lately, I have noticed memory usage has creeped up to 40-50% when the computer is idle and jumps to 70-80% when I start playing a game. I notice it more after the computer is put to sleep and waken up, but once in a while memory usage goes up on its own and a reboot corrects the problem regardless.

All signs point to a memory leak but I have not had any performance issues and when I look at task manager nothing seems out of ther ordinary. I've also run the memory diagnostic tool (or whatever it's called) and ever virus, ad/spyware scan I own and all come up negative.

Is there anything else that could cause memory usage to increase?

[Moose]

I went from vista 64bit to windows 7 64bit and my memory cut in half(4gb+ in vista to 1.5gb in windows 7.

Does your amount clear up on reboot.

[Moose]

It is possible you have a memory leak. Vista had a few of them.

[Okeiro]

It does clear up after a reboot. I guess now is as good a time as any to upgrade to Win7- the disk has been sitting by my computer since last October!

[Lizentor]

Yea my PC gained in performance after I did the upgrade from Vista to 7. Do it!! 7 is so much better than Vista! In Vista, my components rated at 5.1 or 5.2 in the Windows Experience index. Same hardware on Windows 7, now my components rate at 6.8 to 7.1

[Okeiro]

I've read it's a pretty smooth upgrade process, but is there anything that I should be on the look out for?

[Lizentor]

None that I can think of. I've upgraded/installed 7 on several PC's at work and my PC at home. My PC at home, I had to install maybe 2 drivers. It doesn't take long.

[Moose]

I installed and had windows 7 almost patched in 45 minutes. Again I have it a little better machine. It took hours to do vista.

[Jaswa]

windows 7 is great but... I do have one problem with it. Everyday radomly my internet just cuts out...

At first I thought it was my provider but later found that it is indeed win 7 causing the problem its well documented on the internet. It does not come back up on its own you have to use the diagnose connection wizard to reset the gateway to get it back.

Happen mostly when I try to steam large files to my PS3 or 360 but also happens during downloads and watching web media.

here is a fix I have not tried. fact is you shouldn't have to disable security features to be able to use your internet,

Fix... and some documentation of people with the same problems I am having.

[Prodimysterio]

Originally Posted by Jaswa

windows 7 is great but... I do have one problem with it. Everyday radomly my internet just cuts out...

At first I thought it was my provider but later found that it is indeed win 7 causing the problem its well documented on the internet. It does not come back up on its own you have to use the diagnose connection wizard to reset the gateway to get it back.

Happen mostly when I try to steam large files to my PS3 or 360 but also happens during downloads and watching web media.

here is a fix I have not tried. fact is you shouldn't have to disable security features to be able to use your internet,

Fix... and some documentation of people with the same problems I am having.

I'm glad we're having a good thread on this subject. Lots of opinions to interject and a large amount of knowledge comes out of it for everyone's benefit.

With that being said, Jaswa, I am going to have to disagree with your statement. I have been running Windows 7 since it was in early beta and I have never experienced Internet disconnection issues that you are describing. I have installed it on a large number of workstations where I work, the desktop I am working on right now, my personal laptop, and my wife's personal laptop. This issue has never appeared on any of them. I'm sure that others will chime in on this subject as well, but I firmly believe the issue resides somewhere outside of the operating system itself.

One thing to open up this discussion a bit further. Jaswa, do you only connect to the Internet via a physical cable to your modem? Or do you also have the capability of connecting wirelessly? If you can connect both wired and wirelessly, do you experience these issues when connected via both methods?

I like where this thread is going. I think we'll have some great information here once all is said and done.

Prod

[Jaswa]

yeah I have tried everything prod. Normaly I hook up to my wireless through the modem. I even tried going direct. I even tried updated drivers for everything.

It still happens. Its not a everyday thing but still very annoying. I thought maybe it was my PC so I duel booted vista and win 7 for 2 weeks same things installed on each and Vista never had a problem. but when I flipped to 7 same old disconnects.

And I still wasn't convinced it was win 7 untill my friend was over and we started talking about PC's and he just installed win 7 and was having the same problems but just assumed it was something else.

I am pretty sure its 7. I have never had this problem with XP or Vista.

Sometimes I guess most times now just clicking on a link will kill it.

I just live with it now. Because win 7 is still better then vista as far as preformance. But I would like microsoft to realize there is a problem and fix it.

[Mantuke]

Prod we are like you... We have win 7 on several desktops and on our laptops. I have never been disconnected from a hard wired connection and haven't heard of any users losing their network connection either, but still have occasional problems with the wireless and even a couple of time the wireless network completly disappearing just like on Vista. the problem with my cisco vpn has been cured.

My theory on this is microsoft does a call home to verify the connection has internet access and try to id what network you are on. I have seen on the wireless connection if it drops at all the it takes a while to come back up... does it's call home and determines if it is still on the same network or if it needs to change the security setting because the network changed. In the mean time till it figures out where it is connected it does drop outside connections. Fire up wireshark sometime and Microsoft is getting as chatty as Macs talking to home base LOL...

[Jaswa]

from what I have read about the problem it has something to do with Internet explorer and the security settings. I really don't think that is the case as i have seen it happen more often when streaming large files from media center to my 360/PS3

what happens in a nut shell it drops the internet I get the little yellow sign overtop the little window and I have to right click bring up the network window then click dianose probelm (very bottom) then it shuts down my IP and then resets the gateway... when I read the issue part its tells me the gateway was not found and had to reset.

If that helps any of the IP guru's

[Jaswa]

Just happened again like 5 minutes after my last post...

if this helps

(not sure about the collection detail as I am running windows 7 and not amd...)

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Windows Network Diagnostics
Publisher details
Issues foundThe default gateway is not available
The default gateway is not available
The default gateway is a device that connects a local network or computer to the Internet. A broadband modem or router is usually the default gateway.
Fixed
[IMG]res://sdiageng.dll/check.png[/IMG]Reset the "Local Area Connection" adapter
Completed

Investigate router or broadband modem issues
Not run

Issues found
Detection details
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The default gateway is not availableFixed
[IMG]res://sdiageng.dll/check.png[/IMG]The default gateway is a device that connects a local network or computer to the Internet. A broadband modem or router is usually the default gateway.
Reset the "Local Area Connection" adapterCompleted
This can sometimes resolve an intermittent problem.
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Network Diagnostics Log
File Name: 290784C8-43F8-4E45-9DAE-83F2537A92DB.Repair.1.etlInvestigate router or broadband modem issuesNot run
If you're connected to a hotspot or domain network, contact the network administrator. Otherwise: 1. Unplug or turn off the device. 2. After all the lights on the device are off, wait at least 10 seconds. 3. Turn the device on or plug it back into the power outlet. To restart a router or modem that has a built-in battery, press and quickly release the Reset button.


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Diagnostics Information (Network Adapter)
Details about network adapter diagnosis: Network adapter Local Area Connection driver information: Description . . . . . . . . . . : NVIDIA nForce 10/100/1000 Mbps Ethernet Manufacturer . . . . . . . . . : NVIDIA Provider . . . . . . . . . . . : Microsoft Version . . . . . . . . . . . : 1.0.1.211 Inf File Name . . . . . . . . . : C:\Windows\INF\netnvm64.inf Inf File Date . . . . . . . . . : Monday, July 13, 2009 8:37:30 PM Section Name . . . . . . . . . : NVENET55.NDI Hardware ID . . . . . . . . . . : pci\ven_10de&dev_0373 Instance Status Flags . . . . . : 0x180200a Device Manager Status Code . . : 0 IfType . . . . . . . . . . . . : 6 Physical Media Type . . . . . . : 14[IMG]res://sdiageng.dll/info.png[/IMG]
Network Diagnostics Log
File Name: 290784C8-43F8-4E45-9DAE-83F2537A92DB.Diagnose.0.etl[IMG]res://sdiageng.dll/info.png[/IMG]
Other Networking Configuration and Logs
File Name: NetworkConfiguration.cabCollection informationComputer Name: JERRYGILDNER-PCWindows Version:6.1
Architecture:amd64
Time:Thursday, March 18, 2010 7:05:39 PM


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Windows Network DiagnosticsDetects problems with network connectivity.Package Version:1.0
Publisher:Microsoft Windows

[Prodimysterio]

See, I told you all this thread would get good.

Jaswa, since I help manage all of the desktops/laptops at my place of business, I have access to Microsoft's MSDN downloads website. I can login there when I need to download any Microsoft operating system, past or present, in ISO format for testing or production use. I decided to login to MSDN earlier today from three different workstations. The first being an HP Elite 8000 workstation with Windows 7 Enterprise 64-bit, the second being a Dell Latitude Adamo laptop with Windows 7 Home Premium 32-bit, and the third being my custom-built home pc with an EVGA 680 SLI NVIDIA-based motherboard running Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit. From the MSDN website, I downloaded the Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit ISO, which is exactly 3.075 GB in size (Much larger than anything that would be streamed to your XBox 360 or PS3 unless you are streaming a ridiculous amount of high quality audio or HD video.) When downloading the ISO to the HP via a physical cable, it never disconnected. When downloading the ISO to the Dell via *both* a wireless connection first and a wired connection second, it never disconnected. And from my custom-built workstation via physical cable, it never disconnected.

To me, such testing proves without a shadow of a doubt that it is not Windows 7 itself causing disconnection issues. I'm confident the issue resides either on your ISP's side or there is an issue on your side with either your router and/or modem and/or cabling.

One interesting thing to see Jaswa would be a trace route from your pc to a simple website like google.com. If you would, find "Command Prompt" under the Windows 7 "start" menu. (I like to call it the start bubble now...lol) Right-click on it and choose "Run as Administrator." Once you do, please type the following from the command prompt:

tracert www.gooogle.com

Once you get the results of that testing, please copy and paste them there. I am very interested to see the results. Also, please post the exact specific brand name and model numbers for both your router and your modem.

Prod

[Moose]

I had something similar when I lived in IN. It had something to do to the fact the single was not synced correctly at the local tie in. Have you tired hooking pc directly to computer to make sure that the router it not the issue. You can have your cable company run line test. Sounds like your modem is getting hit with a single lost from local tie in. We need to get Mantuke involved in this as he is the internet provider tech resource.

So this doesn't happen in vista correct. Drag do you know if Windows 7 is a little more connection senitive? Could the Windows 7 nic driver but a little flakey. Are you updating after install? Have you tried a couple different ones?

[Jaswa]

yeah moose i have tried direct.

Prod i ran the run command like you asked but after the 30 hops it goes away (disapeares) does it save in a file somewhere?

Modem Model U10CO18 its the generic that Chater provies no name brand on it.

My Wireless is a Lynksys Router WRT310N

[Lizentor]

Originally Posted by Jaswa

Prod i ran the run command like you asked but after the 30 hops it goes away (disapeares) does it save in a file somewhere?

It doesn't but it can. Create a text file on your desktop called tracert.txt Then type in the command prompt tracert www.gooogle.com >C:\Users\(Username)\Desktop\tracert.txt and it will put the results in that text file. When you hit enter in the command prompt, it will do nothing until the trace has completed. Then it'll go back to another prompt. After that happens, check the file.

By the way Prod and Moose, I still want to always type cd BOTH\PARM anytime I'm in a CMD window. (Inside joke. The job we all met at, we supported DOS based systems. The guts of the systems were in a directory called PARM.)

[Mantuke]

better trace would be to your dns server that your ISP has. Also would be interesting to run a continuous ping to your router / firewall and see if you drop packets there. command is ping 192.168.1.xxx (what ever is the inside ip address of your router/firewall) -t.

you can also run this to your dns server of the isp in another window. Some firewalls set up themselves to do dns so you may have to look in your firewall to figure out what the dns server is.

We still have a speedtest server on the outside too that you could ping speedtest.phonoscope.com. this server will also tell you if your connection is spotty and congested. any QOS score under 90 is not good.

It makes me want to believe your router/firewall may be the culprit. All of these small home devices have very limited packets per second through put and very small buffers so if you are downloading a file and the pushing that file to say your ps3 you may be overrunning the capacity of your firewall and it in turn starts dropping packets.

You would be surprised how little some of these guys resources are. Hope you find out the problem.

Cable companies have also been known to intercept and throttle back folks doing movie downloads soit would be interesting to see if that is the case.

bet we could set up vent or something if you want to pick Prod and I brain a bit. Prod for sure is the OS expert but I trouble shoot several (slow internet) problems a day and it can be very frustrating to get to the bottom of some of these issues for sure LOL.

[Jaswa]

Ok I can not get it to write to the text file. and yes i put my PC name in the (username) part. If I run the command it runs shows me the time hops then disapears.